Kommentare zu: Die Code-of-Conduct-Diskussion

Von: chris

chris — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 14:13:40 +0000

@Blake – the German recitation of your statement does not suggest you said someone would be unsafe at the OSM Stammtisch. It says:

„Dieser habe jedoch keinen Code of Conduct und er könne sich somit nicht sicher sein, dass die Teilnehmerinnen dort sicher wären.“

which i would translate back into

„This (the OSM Stammtisch) does not have a CoC so he could not be sure that the (female) participants would be safe there.“

Your statement is a lot more complex (with indirect statements like „understand the issues“ and „have a mechanism“) but i think the above is a fair summary of the essence of what you are saying.

Von: Blake Girardot

Blake Girardot — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 00:26:18 +0000

I will assume it is a language barrier, but you have what I said in the conversation wrong as far as I can tell. I never suggested anyone would be unsafe at another event. I said that if there is no CoC I can not be sure the other group understands the issues and has a mechanism in place to make sure attendees are safe. There is quite a difference.

„However that other small meetup group does not have a code of conduct.
Now I have to worry, many of the people in the group I facilitate are
women. I can not in good conscience suggest people in my group attend
another group that has not even posted a code of conduct. I can not be
sure that other group understand the issues and have a mechanism in
place to make sure attendees are safe at their events. If they had a
code of conduct I would feel a lot better suggesting people from my
meetup go and attend.“

I also intentionally did not specify a location, yet you some how took it upon yourselves to add a location. That is not very good form. You have no idea what Missing Maps groups I am involved with and since I did not specify you have no business adding a location.

Regards,
blake

Von: chris

chris — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 23:01:56 +0000

Kleine Korrektur zu der Übersetzung meiner Mail: mit

„The way to go here is to – just like with local
communities – allow the creation of venues like mailing lists or other
spaces where culturally more specific rules apply to allow people to
exchange themselves in matters related to OSM in a way they feel
comfortable with.“

meinte ich, dass sich Leute, die sich mit dem in OSM verbreiteten Kommunikationsstil unwohl fühlen in, in Analogie zu lokalen Kommunikationskanälen auch kulturell spezifische internationale Kanäle gestalten können, in denen eine Kultur strikterer Kommunikations-Regeln gilt. Das ist etwas anders als Ihr es wiedergegeben habt.

Das wäre eigenverantwortlich, dezentral und im Geiste kultureller Vielfalt – genau wie es sich für OSM im Grunde gehört.

Ansonsten schöne Zusammenfassung, was aber jedem klar sein sollte ist, dass die Diskussion auf OSMF-talk natürlich nicht das gesamte Meinungsspektrum in der OSM-Community widerspiegelt, insbesondere nicht aus den nicht Englisch sprechenden Bereichen.